MTG Wiki:Storylines/Archives 2006-2007

Welcome to the Storyline Project on the MTGSalvation Wiki. This page, to be run by the Storyline Mod, VestDan is to organize and prioritize work on the storyline portion of the Wiki.

New Rule
Cite sources at the end of pages! I know I'm the biggest offender here, but from now on, just make sure the sources are correct. Use this format:

(Source: Name of Source)

Link the source to its page if its a book, or game, but the comics are obscure enough now to just give titles.

Most Helpful Contributers

 * MORT
 * Randel
 * Silver Surfer
 * Sneakyhomunculus
 * The Squirle master
 * VestDan
 * Voila!

High Priorities

 * 'Virtually every page having to do with the Weatherlight Saga is woefully inadequate! As the single most important arc in the history of the game, this has to be something we provide exhaustive information for. The Weatherlight Crew and other characters are particularly lacking. Please, prioritize these pages!


 * Ravnica Guilds: Some Guild pages, such as the Boros, are quite detailed, while others are more lacking (though I realize this has as much to do with what resources are availible as anything else). As this is the current block and storyline arc, Ravnica should be getting special attention at the moment. --Randel is working on this--

Big Projects
I'm looking for volunteers on some major, one-time projects. Please express any interest you have in them here.


 * Detailed Book Summaries: I'd like someone to go through each book, and take down all useful information, to make it availible here. Afterwards, we can use those summaries to make detailed pages on everything and everyone IN those books.


 * Pictures: For characters and artifacts particularly, it would be very good to have a picture of them on their respective pages.


 * Character Templates: All major characters should have one of the character templates Sneakyhomunculus rigged up. Ideally, all characters should have a template, but for now, focus on Weatherlight Saga characters and Ravnica characters.

Upkeep Projects
This is largely going back and fixing things to bring them up to new standards that have come into being since the article was first created.


 * Card Tagging articles: for the many articles about prerevisionist stuff that I and others have put up, the subject of the article is represented by a card. The current standard is, instead of bolding the name in that case, like Grandmother Sengir, we use a card tag instead, i.e. Grandmother Sengir. Somebody needs to go through these, and change all the ones that are missing the tag. Note that only the subject of the article should be card tagged, all other cards mentioned in the articles should be links to their own respective articles.

-Phyrexia - main article, about the location (and, in this case, plane). -Phyrexian - a redirect to Phyrexia, tagged as an Affiliation. -Phyrexians - a redirect to Phyrexia, tagged as Species and Races. In questionable situations, such as Keldons, where they are a distinct race yet still technically human, the above rule should be followed, but the same information on the people of Keld should be availible in the larger Humans article as well as the Keld article. Also, any articles about the Ice Age period of storyline, from the Dark to the Flood Ages, should have a new Category:Ice Age Saga category.
 * Category Updating: Many articles put into the Species and Races category should be in the new Affiliations category. This goes for any nation or group that is not also its own species, such as Benalish, etc. If they are their own species, or distinctive enough to be considered a race (such as Keldons), they can have a redirect for the affiliation as well. The rule of thumb should follow this example:

Any Questions?
Contact VestDan.

<!--Question: I have been citing the sources I have used for the articles I have written. Is this necessary? Randel 17:53, 22 May 2006 (CDT)

IMO, we should do that mainly with sources other than revisionists.(but other would be nice too)MORT 17:58, 22 May 2006 (CDT)

Question: How should book summaries look like? Chronological with time or chapter by chapter (like its with Dissension (novel) summary)? MORT 05:45, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

Maybe it would be a good idea to make template for a character info box, like we have for forum members. We could then easy include info like name, date of birth, date of death, gender, race etc etc. Sneakyhomunculus 06:35, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

I started with adding pictures to the articles, character mostly and some artifacts. I think it's important that we try to add a cardtag or name the artist in the frame of every picture. Otherwise we may get in legal trouble. Sneakyhomunculus 08:37, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

Very good points, everyone. Randel - citing sources is good to do whenever possible

MORT - I'm really not sure on this, so I'm just gonna have to say, whichever makes the most sense for a given book. Most of them are in chronological order anyway, save for random flashbacks, and flashbacks are usually where they are in the narrative for a reason, so should be in the same point in the summary.

Sneakyhomunculus - that would indeed be a grand idea. I have no idea how to do that. I'll ask the Wikipedian around here to mock something up for us. What should we have in the box? Name, Date of Birth, Date of Death, Race, Gender, Sources... anything else?

still Sneaks - naming the artist is definately something we should be doing.

Thank you for all your help, guys!VestDan 09:32, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

Yeah I this would do
 * Name
 * Date of Birth
 * Date of Death
 * Race
 * Gender
 * Sources

I will try and read up on how to make templates. If I can pull it off, I will make one. But asking one of the more experienced members would certainly be easier. Also, I saw that phyrexia.com had some maps of the various planes etc. Sadly they are all edited with the site's name on the bottom. If we have access to the originals we should try to add them to the articles (off course with the right copyrights etc.) I think I have a nice map õf Rath in my Rath and Story book and a few others and will try to scan and upload those. But everyone should search their collection for similar material. Sneakyhomunculus 10:33, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

I have some maps I tried to upload, but they where to large -_-''

As for the character-template thingy: awesome idea. I'd add a picture of said character to the template (like with the forum members), and add "Location" in addition to Race. Perhaps instead of gender since that one is rather obvious most of the time. And I suggest "Life time" or something similar instead of "Date of Birth"/"Date of Death". If we do that we can put exact dates in for the characters we have them for (for example "4180-4205 AR" in the case of Hanna) but there are a lot of characters we don't have exact dates for, for which we could put down "died in 170 AR" or "Lived during the Kami Wars" or something. The Squirle master 10:00, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

Point taken on the "Lifeline" thing, also I think we could do something like "primairy location" or "location of birth" in addition to race and maybe something like "rank" or "occupation". On the maps. Maybe you can send them to me and I can try to edit them a bit? I was able to upload a map of Mercadia. I think the best way to do this is to put a resized image on the article and then let them press it for the big size. See Mercadia. Also make sure the copyright is on the image page!!Sneakyhomunculus 10:33, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

Ok I think I got the Character template to work. Check Gerrard to see it in action. If anyone with more knowledge wants to change something go right ahead. --Sneakyhomunculus 14:36, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

As for maps, we have all maps in the Geography of Dominaria thread on MTGS forum(even such which you won't find at Phyrexia.com). As for original maps - they were originally given by WotC to Phyrexia.com so it should be saved (or not I'm not sure...)MORT 16:17, 25 May 2006 (CDT)


 * Phyrexia.com's maps have all previously apeared in novels, comics, calenders or magazines, so even if WotC gave them to Phyrexia.com its not like they have copywright on them or anything. Its just anoying that they stamped PHYREXIA.COM on ever map they have. If we can't find non-stamped versions of the maps, could we put a link to their map section or our [INFO] thread in a "Outside Links" section or something? The Squirle master 07:21, 26 May 2006 (CDT)

The Character Template is awesome. Good job. Do we want to put it on every single character? I think we ought to if we want this to be comprehensive, but I'd understand if some think it's overkill considering that there are a a lot of secondary characters. Randel 23:16, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

Could someone give me a list of all the primary and secondary weatherlight crew members? --Sneakyhomunculus 07:41, 26 May 2006 (CDT)
 * On the maps: Lets not link to the thread, lets just upload as much as we can.
 * On the template: Try to use it as much as possible.
 * Something else. I'm working on a template for a bar for the bottom of articles that lists all the Weatherlight characters, like the bar articles about presidents have on Wikipedia.

D'oh! :D Thanks mate. Will try to make that template work. I think it could be really usefull. By the way, do we also need a template for artifact or objects? --Sneakyhomunculus 08:37, 26 May 2006 (CDT)
 * Check the Weatherlight Crew article :D The Squirle master 08:23, 26 May 2006 (CDT)

Do we want to refer to characters and affiliations by color alignment? For example, talking about The Order as a 'white aligned' organization. To me, it feels too much like inserting mechanics into the storyline. Perhaps the colors of magic are liberaly referenced in the storyline and I just don't know it? Randel 06:16, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

I think we can take the Stub-template of a bunch of older articles. Take The Talas for example. Sure its a very tiny article, but there isn't anything else known about them. Same goes for Abbey Matrons, Chaos Orb, Ebony Rhino and probably a lot more. Also, I still think we need Ice Age, Legends, Fallen Empires etc. categories to go with Ravnica, Kamigawa etc. (I'm willing to update the old article to include those categories, if we decide to make them) The Squirle master 08:35, 27 May 2006 (CDT)


 * I stopped stubbing a lot of older articles when I realized that, indeed, two sentances is all the information that exists on the subject. So, that is something worth doing. As for those categories, I could see doing Ice Age, but Legends and Fallen Empires are so narrow, and generally plotless, I don't see the point (like, if someone asks "what is the story of Ice Age, you can give an answer. If they ask, what is the story of Fallen Empires, there's not much you can do, particularly since the comics weren't really represented, plotwise, in the set, to my knowledge). But I'm leaving this discussion open for a bit. VestDan 11:54, 27 May 2006 (CDT)

Should we make references to what sources are used in each storyline page? For example, go to Terisiare, where I have a list of post-revisionist sources used to create the information on the page. Should this be repeated (end expanded) on all the non-character pages? RMS Oceanic 07:52, 29 May 2006 (CDT)
 * It does no harm to do so, imo. Oracle of Truth 18:47, 29 May 2006 (CDT)

I think somebody should clean this section up a bit. The Squirle master 06:18, 30 May 2006 (CDT)

I gues nobody saw my comments on the Ice Age/Legends categories or the ones about cleaning up the "Got Questions" part of this article in the swarm of updates, so eh... BUMP. The Squirle master 10:03, 1 June 2006 (CDT)

I saw, I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Worked later last night. Sorry, probably this evening. VestDan 10:20, 1 June 2006 (CDT)

Another question: when making redirects, do the redirects need categories? Akki and Azure Drake are both redirects that have them, but Djinn and Efreet don't. Also, BUMP ;P The Squirle master 10:24, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

Some redirects can certainly use categories, just so they appear on the category lists. This should only be used for things that all the information for them is on one larger article.

Also, just turned most of the discussion here invisible. You can stil see if you click 'edit page'.VestDan 10:30, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

Okidoki. I moved the following away from the invisible part since nobody responded to it yet.
 * I do agree with you saying that Fallen Empires is to narrow, but I'd say we could do with just two new categories: Ice Age and Legends. Noting about Fallen Empires has been revealed in post-rev continuity so all it's articles fit in the prerevisionist category. But take Jodah, or Tetsuo Umezawa. neither fits in the prerevisionist category NOR any of our post-rev categories. So if we made an Ice Age (Saga?) category to fit in all the Dark, Ice Age and Alliances stuff (since that are the 3 novels in the post-rev Ice Age cycle) and a Legends cycle for all Legends stuff, all storyline articles fit in either the prerevisionist category or in one of the post-rev categories. Sure, Ice Age and Legends would overlap a bit with Prerevisionist, but many Weatherlight articles do as well.

The Squirle master 10:40, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * But, does the amount of support/material for prerevisionist Ice Age, Fallen Empires, and Legends warrant its own category? Further, Ice Age as a category would be problematic, as there are both prerev and rev versions. The Prerevisionist category is a catchall for all these old things, as the old sets outside Antiquities and Mirage-Visions didn't really HAVE a storyline, so much as a setting. Finally, the overlap between Weatherlight and Prerev comes of course when there are two sources for the same material, but it can be made clear which is which. If you had an Ice Age category, it would be confused as to what info is old, what of that still applies, and what is new. VestDan 10:54, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * But, does the amount of support/material for prerevisionist Ice Age, Fallen Empires, and Legends warrant its own category?
 * Legends had 5 comics and 6 novels written about it. Ice Age had 4 comics and only 3 novels. Thats more than Kamigawa or Ravinca had. Well, Ice Age would kinda draw with Kamigawa if we count the vignette's I guess, but the point is: If Ravinca has enough data to warrant a category of its own, Legends and Ice Age certainly do as well.
 * If you had an Ice Age category, it would be confused as to what info is old, what of that still applies, and what is new.
 * I don't think this is realy a problem, to be honest. Just give each article a "pre-rev" part for any obsolete info on it. Everything else is either new or still valid, similar to the Weatherlight articles.
 * The Squirle master 11:57, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

Ravnica gets a category, because it is new and supported. Ice Age, I could see clear to giving a category, as the novels give the sets plot. Legends, however, I must still disagree on. The set itself has no plot and was designed to have no plot. It was an amalgam of a bunch of different characters and settings. The two trilogies, and comics, all simply drew characters and settings from the set - and only a few - and made a story. There isn't a plot or even overarching thematic bridge among the Legends stories, which all take place at different times and even on different planes. Even Fallen Empires is more cohesive than that, as it at least describes a distinct period in the history of a region. VestDan 12:09, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

''Even Fallen Empires is more cohesive than that, as it at least describes a distinct period in the history of a region. ''

Quick interjection, doesn't Fallen Empires have a novel? A Harper Prisim book called And Peace Shall Sleep if I remember correctly.

Also, to weigh in on the other subject, I agree that an Ice Age Saga or something similar is definitly worthy of its own category. The story of Jodah needs to go somewhere if nothing else. As for Legends... I'm still on the fence about that. Randel 12:17, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

That's a novel, yes, but again, it's not the story OF the set. It's a story that takes place in the same setting. None of the events or characters, to my recollection, from the book were mentioned on the cards, save for a 6th edition reprint of Goblin War Drums (I think that was the card).

Okay, Ice Age Saga is a go, though make sure to make note of what info is prerev and rev. However, Arabian Nights, Legends, Fallen Empires, and Homelands all remain simply "prerev". VestDan 12:29, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

I agree on Homelands, Fallen Empires, Arabian Nights not getting a category, since ALL information on them is pre-rev, but I still think Legends should get its own category since it has post-rev sources that would otherwise fit nowhere. The Squirle master 13:16, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

NINJA EDIT: What do we do with Shandalar stuff? The Shandalar comic continues directly from the Ice Age comic, so that would make sort of sense if we sticked it in the Ice Age category, but the games are only connected to it via Lim-Dûl.

Also: Before I get to adding the Ice Age category to older articles: what exactly should I call the category. Just "Ice Age" seems a bit out of place when it also includes The Dark and Alliances stuff. Ice Age Saga perhaps? The Squirle master 13:21, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

"Ice Age Saga" seems wordier than it needs to be. "Ice Ages," maybe?

As for the Legends books... I still dunno. Legends is a very prerev set, but a lot of the postrev doesn't have much to do with that material. Is there any way to make a catchall, revisionist category that doesn't include the regular schedle of annual blocks? That would include the Legends books, whatever stories go onto Legendology or from the few revisionist anthologies, and anything akin to that they might do in the future. VestDan 13:29, 5 June 2006 (CDT)


 * "Ice Age Saga" seems wordier than it needs to be. "Ice Ages," maybe?

That doesn't sound very good to me. I mean, there realy only was 1 Ice Age. And "Ice Age Saga" is still shorter than Weatherlight Saga
 * Is there any way to make a catchall, revisionist category that doesn't include the regular schedle of annual blocks?

I like the idea of having a category for the Legends Books and the anthologies, but what on earth should we name it? And what would we do with anothology stories that happen during the Ice Age, or that involve Barrin, Balthor or any other characters that would normally go under another category? The Squirle master 13:35, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

Well, my understanding is the period of the Ice Age actually saw a cycle of several glaciations and partial thaws, so techincally, "Ice Ages" would be correct. But Ice Age Saga is fine, I suppose.

As for the catchall... I really, really hate to do it, but we could assign the "Revisionist" or "Postrevisionist" category to EVERYTHING it would apply to. That would be massively annoying, though. Perhaps, "Unaffiliated Storylines" or somesuch?VestDan 14:14, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

"Unaffiliated Storylines" sounds a bit wonky, but I'd prefer it over Revisionist, if only because a Revisionist category would require revisions (haha) on lots and LOTS of articles. The Squirle master 14:29, 5 June 2006 (CDT)

I like the idea of an unaffiliated category. If we don't like "Unaffiliated Storylines", perhaps "Independant Storylines"? That's not particularly good either, bu it's the only one I could come up with. Randel 16:15, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

Two more questions:
 * 1) I've been making a bunch of articles on places in Jamuraa, but when I was done I realised that places in Terisiare have been put in "List of Nations on Terisiare during [insert time period here]" articles. Which do we prefer, single articles, lists, or lists with links to more detailed articles?
 * 2) How are we going to do Spirits in the "Species and Races" category? Ravnican spirits are ghosts (undead), while Kamigawan spirits are personifications of stuff and thus far more like Elementals or Incarnations. Since the lines between Elementals, Spirits, Ghosts, Incarnations, Horrors, Illusions, Phantasms, Shades, Specters and the like are rather blurry to begin with, I would suggest seperate articles for Elementals, Ghosts (inlcuding Ravnican spirits and Wraiths), Kami, Shades and Specters, stick every horror that is actualy a Phyrexian with Phyrexians and give any other spectral being with Storyline significance an article of its own. The Rigida ice-monsters for example. They where discribed as "supernatural", but not of any specific type.

The Squirle master 11:01, 8 June 2006 (CDT)

As for spirits, they are generally "essence" of things. On Kamigawa they were (because of O-Kogachi's actions, if I remember correctly ) "essences" of all things. Spirits of living creatures are also their "essence". MORT 13:57, 8 June 2006 (CDT)

1: I prefer the last option, that being article lists linking to more detailed articles. 2: Easy. Ravnican spirits are Spirits; Kamigawa spirits are Kami. Both would be linked to from the Undead page.VestDan 19:54, 8 June 2006 (CDT)

Kami are not undead. Randel 22:15, 8 June 2006 (CDT)

I know they aren't, but they aren't exactly alive, either. And as I recall, some of the Kamigawa spirits WERE originally living things. Kami wouldn't really qualify as undead, but would get a mention in the spirit subeading of the Undead article, just because someone looking up spirits there might want to know about Kami.VestDan 22:25, 8 June 2006 (CDT)

I'll go edit the "List of Countries in..." articles right away!

I don't agree with putting the Kami under "undead" though. Only the -Maro creatures where originally living things. Adding a something like "If you where looking for the Kamigawa Spirits, check out the Kami aticle." would be good though. The Squirle master 03:43, 9 June 2006 (CDT)

Didn't Saviors also have all the dead mortals from the war around as spirits? *shrug*. That is more or less what i meant by having a link in undead, though. VestDan 09:41, 9 June 2006 (CDT)-->

PRIORITY - WEATHERLIGHT SAGA CHARACTERS AND ARTICLES IN GENERAL. With Time Spiral a few months out, set on Dominaria in the aftermath of the invasion, interest in these topics is likely to reach a long-time high. '''PLEASE WORK ON THESE, EVERYONE! THIS IS PRIORITY ONE'''!VestDan 00:28, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

Are we going to do an "unafiliated storyline" category or not? I don't think we ever made a definitive disicion. Also: could we change to "Wars and Battles" category to simply "Events", so important events that are not wars (Refraction of Rabiah, The Ice Age) have a place? The Squirle master 07:37, 21 June 2006 (CDT)

Also, I've tried to use the Noimage.gif file for the Character Template of Glacian and Dyfed, but it goes all pixely and ugly. Shoul I leave it like that or do we need a better sized "No Picture Available" picture? The Squirle master 04:24, 22 June 2006 (CDT)

BUMP The Squirle master 11:04, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

Is there something like unafiliated storyline? As for changing Wars and Battles to Events I agree completely. MORT 16:57, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

The "unafiliated" category was brought up as an idea for a category to put stuff in that is neither pre-rev, nor fits in any of the post-rev categories we have (Weatherlight, Mirari, Kamigawa, Ravnica, Ice Age). Thus that would make the two Legends cycles and any post-rev Anthologies that don't deal with the Weatherlight, Mirari or Ice Age buisness. The Squirle master 17:02, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

BUMP! Hey, Vest, I think we need your permission to change Wars and Battles category to Events. This is very good idea and I think you agree with this, but you know... formalities. ;) MORT 18:10, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

Hmm... I don't quite like that. I prefer to make Wars and Battles a subcategory of Events, in case, ya know, someone wants to look into Wars and Battles and not see stuff like the Worldspell and the Thousandfold Refraction of Rabiah. That work for you all?

Also... Guys, please, work on the Weatherlight articles. Here's the skinny: i'm gonna do my final Weatherlight article for the Savlation main page, and instead of linking to autocards, I'm going to link HERE. So I'd really like the pages to have content, so people who follow those links have something worthwhile to look at. Further, if they like what they see, that article will make the Wiki far higher profile. SO... work on that, guys, please?VestDan 18:22, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

Oh, I see, OK. On the other hand there are not that much of events to splice them IMO, but as you wish ;) MORT 05:45, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

I'm also wondering what with future articles of Time Spiral characters, etc. Are we going to create post-apocalyse category. And if so, will articles of Mirari Saga [Otarian ones] be in this category? Or maybe it would be better to remove Mirari category and make Mirrodin category and post-apocalypse one instead? I think this case would be the best [too much categories aren't good]. MORT 06:10, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

I'm thinking we should wait and see what Time Spiral does before figuring out categories. If Mirrodin is brought into the Time Spiral storyline at all (we may have to wait until Planar Chaos to see this, as we know Karn is involved there), then we could fold Mirari Saga wholesale into a new category; but most likely, we'll have to do "Mirrodin" storyline and "Post-Apocalyptic Dominaria."VestDan 10:19, 28 August 2006 (CDT)

New Rule
That reminds me... What do you think about renaming all articles about books to such pattern: 'Title (book)'? When we're writting article, we can't be sure if there're already articles with "(book)" in their name or not. That would make linking to books easier - we wouldn't have to think and check if the Article is called Guildpact or Guildpact (novel). We would know where to link Invasion (event) and where Invasion (novel). --MORT 19:29, 5 November 2006 (CST)

I concur. We should perhaps have a list of paranthetical descriptors, like
 * book
 * comic
 * game
 * set
 * location
 * event

Any others? VestDan 19:52, 5 November 2006 (CST)

I'm not sure if we really need game and location. I think there is no such problem with them (so far), like with articlas of Storyline Sources (I already changed all books), sets and sometimes events because mainly these share the same name(for example: Invasion = book = set = event = even cycle). MORT 16:50, 8 November 2006 (CST)

Well, I mention Game because of the two computer games: Battlemage and the Micropose one that was simply called "Magic: the Gathering." Both should certainly have articles of their own, not to mention the ultra-obscure Armageddon arcade game.

oh, these games, ok. I have a problem. Some articles, for example Asmira, Holy Avenger contains info that they didn't appear in any published sources. Well, IMO it's not very informative. Shouldn't there be an info about actual short story she appeared in (Scalbane's Elite)? I'm also wondering if these short stories should have their own sites, and summaries as well as books... After all short stories from Anthologies already have or will have such... MORT 17:23, 11 November 2006 (CST)

Categories
Eid made the Homelands category in the Feroz's Ban article and it got me thinking. It's the separate storyline which undoubtly is something notable what should have its own category (especially when it is the only storyline about Ulgrotha). What do you think? MORT 14:07, 23 January 2007 (CST)

Well, that opens up a slippery slope--just how many categories do you want to have, here, just for storylines? I realize homelands has its own storyline independant of any other SET, but prerevisionist storylines were all tied together in some way or other, in this case, through Taysir and later, Battlemage and the comics it was based on. So, in a way, the prerevisionist storylines of the comics, games, and sets, are all within the same setting, and almost as interconnected as the Weatherlight Saga.

Also, I don't want to add categories to all those articles :X. VestDan 20:17, 23 January 2007 (CST)

Yes, too much categories are maybe not good, but I'm sure that separate planes, especially with weakly connected storyline to others (and Homelands really is weakly connected to other comics) should have their own Categories. Prerevisionist is just too vast category for them all. When someone want to see articles about everything connected with Shandalar, Homelands or say even Rath or Cridhe, he don't want there any others, unrelated articles. And if ther're too much categories, we can make up some pattern on how to put them orered in the article. I know that now it can sound silly, as there're not that much articles on certain planes, but with time their number will rise vastly, and then such changes in Categories will be even harder to do than now. Well, that's my opinion. (and if you don't want to make these changes, I'll do them). MORT 16:36, 25 January 2007 (CST)

I could perhaps see my way through to a few divisions in prerevisionist, such as "Homelands Storyline," "Mirage War," "Harper Prism Novels", but getting as specific as Cridhe is way too much in my opinion. VestDan 19:21, 25 January 2007 (CST)

And I asssure you that there will be at least 50 articles about Cridhe - its characters, locations and events (when it will be finished), and when someone will want to look at everything about Cridhe he just won't find it in that mess of other articles. That's the purpose of categories after all, to make clear groups of articles that have something in common. --MORT 17:27, 27 January 2007 (CST)

Yeah, but here's what you do: do an article about The Cursed Land, that recounts the plot, lists the characters and locations, and links to all of them. Anyone wanting to know about the book would look in THE BOOK'S article, which would link to more detailed articles about anything contained therein without adding another category to worry about. VestDan 11:07, 28 January 2007 (CST)

I see what you propose, though personally I would see it other way. Anyways, Cridhe was bad example for "not having category" - it is actually the most stand alone story in Magic, so category for this one wouldn't make any more mess at all. MORT 16:26, 29 January 2007 (CST)

Detailed Timelines
I think that it's good idea to have articles about detailed timelines of some particular events and storylines. What do you think? I think mainly about Brothers' War, but also about Mirrodin and Ravnica, because we're still not sure when they hapenned, they're separate planes and Ravnica has even its own Calendar system. There would be also ones concerning such timelines like Garth/Greensleeves Cycle, Homelands, and maybe some others. Generally each of them would be called "Detailed timeline of insert topic". I know that maybe it's not urging task, but I think it'll be good to have such articles because Timeline can cover only main events.  M ORT  (T) 15:03, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Translations
I just thought a little about Categories in translations. Having articles in all languages in one category is quite messy (look at Category:Planes for an instance). I'd suggest to create new categories for storylines of every language, and then subcategories for it. This way, languages will be divded to their own sections, and also names of categories can be in you own language then! What is your opinion?  M ORT  (T) 13:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. I started with completed categories only but I'm changing it now. Jacomo 18:06, 25 June 2007 (UTC)