Talk:Sisay

Retcon
"Like her descendants, she was immune to magic". It wasn't true until the new Dominaria storyline. Her supposed immunity was never mentionned in any novel, comic, article or even flavor text. How should we handle this? Do we embrace the silliness of having a main character have an extremely valuable special ability go unmentionned for the entirety of her adventures; or do we create a short paragraph explaining that it is a retcon?--82.241.183.243 15:40, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I think a short paragraph would be helpfull --Hunter (talk) 16:19, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Did this really come up nowhere? No passing mention, nothing? --Corveroth (talk) 19:32, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I 've read every Magic novel up to Time Spiral and every armada comic, and the Weatherlight Saga were my "golden years" of playing Magic so I know most of the cards from that era pretty well (including flavor text). If there was ever any mention of Sisay being immune to magic, I either never saw it or completely forgot about it. Still, we should double-check with other Weatherlight Saga enthusiasts to make sure it wasn't mentioned at least once in passing; but i feel the multiple writers who handled the character would have made use of that incredibly useful ability if she had it.--82.241.183.243 20:58, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I was baffled as well. Player and reader since Revised. I saw Jay also commenting on it. --Hunter (talk) 05:36, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * https://vorthosjay.tumblr.com/post/172105168516/lets-talk-about-return-to-dominaria-episode-1

Gonna reset here. I've got a quote in Invasion, around page 226, where the crew of the Weatherlight acquires immunity to the Phyrexian plague, but not anything else. In Apocalypse on page 269, Guff grouses that he "can't kill Sisay after all", and the narrative does not, in fact, kill her. I did not spot, in a Ctrl-F search for "sisay", anything else related in Rath and Storm or any other novel in the Invasion or Masquerades cycles. However, I didn't notice any account of her capture on Rath (did I just miss it?). We know Squee is immortal because of Phyrexian meddling, did Sisay also get an upgrade? Otherwise, my only guess would be to start hunting for old copies of Duelist again. --Corveroth (talk) 06:39, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I mean this seem to be a massive retcon if I ever saw one, especially since neither Shanna nor Sisay have any form of hexproof or protection. Which is really kind of odd if immunity to magic seems to be such an important feature. - Yandere Sliver H09 symbol.png 06:44, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * While it seems like it should be a big deal, the Weatherlight crew didn't spend much time getting into magical duels. Flying across and between planes, yes, and getting into tons of purely physical fights against Phyrexians and their allies. But even so, there ought to be a reference somewhere. --Corveroth (talk) 06:59, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Nothing in Duelist #17 (the Mirri cover, in which they introduce the Weatherlight Saga). Only issue I have on hand atm. --Corveroth (talk) 07:09, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've got most issues, and have mined them thoroughly. Nothing there. --Hunter (talk) 07:12, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Was there anything else in the sequence between Duelist and Rath and Storm? --Corveroth (talk) 07:33, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

So where did we land on this? I re-checked all the Duelists, Rath and Storm and the Gerrard's Quest comic, as well as the part with Sisay in the Mercadian Masques novel + the Invasion trilogy. I can confirm ther is no mention of Sisay ever having any type of magical immunity or resistance whatsoever. I might have missed a source (maybe one of the short story collection like "Myths of Magic" or something) but i think we've at least established that in the main storyline it was never mentionned. Everyone ok with definitively labelling this a retcon?--82.241.183.243 16:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems to be a change, yes. Does it need to be explicitly called out on the page? If this information directly contradicts some scene in the books, then explaining the contradiction would be a good idea. Otherwise, whether Sisay's immunity was revealed twenty years ago or just last week, it is now simply fact, and needs no further discussion. --Corveroth (talk) 17:49, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it is a good to add a seperate note for people who are using our wiki to find the same answer as we did. --Hunter (talk) 08:31, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * If someone is looking for information in the sources themselves ("when was this fact published"), they'll be looking at our references. We have only the one ref on that sentence, which implies that the answer to "since when was that true?" is "early 2018". --Corveroth (talk) 17:26, 4 April 2018 (UTC)