Talk:Return to Ravnica

Guild symbols
Could someone upload new versions of guild symbols (both here and on Gatecrash page)? They are on the Mothership. --Spike 16:57, 23 July 2012 (CET)


 * You mean this ones? --> http://www.magicspoiler.com/return-to-ravnica-spoiler/
 * Can't find any other new guild symbols. They seem to be nearly exact to old ones, but with slight recoloration and symmetry (rakdos). If they are, tell me and will try to update them. Thanks.
 * --User:JaceWeCan 18:25, 23 July 2012 (CET)
 * See here. The Gruul, Izzet, Rakdos, Golgari and Boros are all essentially redesigned. Azorius and Simic have less sobvious, but significant changes.
 * Yeah, I meant those. Thanks to whoever uploaded the RTR ones but could you upload the other five as well on the Gatecrash page? --Spike 21:53, 25 July 2012 (CET)
 * Done --JaceWeCan 12:07, 26 July 2012 (CET)

Novel details
Is there any indication that most everything under "Flavor and storyline" isn't bull? Blitzer (talk) 18:28, 4 October 2012 (EDT)


 * It's a placeholder.


 * It's gone.


 * Are we now pleased? -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 04:26, 5 October 2012 (EDT)


 * A sense of humor. Some people have them. It's good that people are contributing by removing things even if they aren't adding anything. Kraken Chowder 101 (talk) 04:52, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

Tips & Tricks cards
I just opened a whole box of Ravnica and didn't see any Tips & Tricks cards, just Marketing cards and Tokens


 * I see numerous tokens and a "marketing card" if the thing with Bolas is a "marketing card". Kraken Chowder 101 (talk) 04:52, 6 October 2012 (EDT)


 * Good move. -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 09:04, 6 October 2012 (EDT)

Two other cycles?
There seems to be two other cycles within this set. They are not part of any megacycle though. There's a cycle of mono-colored mythics (Jace, Necropolis Regent, Worldspine Wurm, the Angel who's name I cant remember but is a triple-O-ring, and Utvara Hellkite) and a cycle of rare hybrid mana spells (Nivmagus Elemental, Deathrite Shaman, Cryptborn Horror, Azor Elocutors, and a Selesnyan enchantment with populate). I am unsure if they should be added to the wiki. DeathHacker (talk) 16:49, 9 October 2012 (EDT)


 * Are these really cycles or simply how things have been designed?


 * We're really reaching for content if we're adding this or our threshold for substance is really, really low. -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 01:35, 17 October 2012 (EDT)


 * I added the hybrid one because it both pertains to the guilds and was mentioned on one of the Daily MTG articles as being part of each guild's vertical cycle of hybrids (one rare, one uncommon, and one common) so it looks to fit. The monocolored cycle seems to be a coincidence. I only suggested it because Vraska is counted as a Golgari Card for her cycle, despite not having a Golgari Watermark.DeathHacker (talk) 12:36, 19 October 2012 (EDT)


 * Keep indenting.


 * OK. -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 03:55, 26 October 2012 (EDT)


 * Can you, by any chance, find the specific Daily MTG article (so that others can, say, question this and actually verify)? It's easier to find it now than later, particularly when you're familiar with it and it's fresh. -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 03:56, 26 October 2012 (EDT)


 * The indenting is gonna cause a over9000 joke soon. ANYWAYS This is the article I'm refering to http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/217 . Under "Hybrid Mana" there is a small blurp at the end of the section referencing a vertical cycle of Hybrid Mana cards. DeathHacker (talk) 18:55, 28 October 2012 (EDT)


 * And space between comments, thanks. Improves clarity.


 * When you indent enough, you "outdent"; . -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 23:25, 28 October 2012 (EDT)

Like so. -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 23:25, 28 October 2012 (EDT)

Rakdos's Return and Sphinx's Revelation
Is it relevant to add a note to the effect that although these cards where not designed as such, many players consider them to be a mirrored pair? Circeus (talk) 00:13, 7 November 2012 (EST)


 * I'm clarifying that this is not a mirrored pair.


 * Per http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/34993944406/wow-come-on-maro-one-deals-damage-and-discards, http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/34993693982/you-seem-to-constantly-miss-what-are-obviously-cycles, http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/34843206237/why-wasnt-sphinxs-revelation-named-isperias, and http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/35134516252/about-rakdoss-return-and-sphinx-revelation-cant-you.


 * Kudos to Mark Rosewater for his patience. -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 03:01, 7 November 2012 (EST)


 * Accidental mirrored pair.

"Whoops??!?" :P


 * -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 03:05, 7 November 2012 (EST)


 * I know about Mark's points on it, but I think the fact that many people—me included—still see it as one (even if inadvertent) despite that could warrant mention. *insert here "author-opinion-does-not-matter" postmodern argument on creative endeavours XD* Circeus (talk) 11:27, 7 November 2012 (EST)


 * "Although Head Magic Designer Blogatog states that X and Y were not explicitly designed as a mirror pair, some players, noting the mirrored effects see what they want to seeeee..."??? -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 13:35, 7 November 2012 (EST)


 * Random link: http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/21943714541/i-promised-myself-at-the-beginning-of-innistrad-that-if


 * I should sleep now... -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 14:16, 7 November 2012 (EST)

Fixed. -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 08:51, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

"Sinker" --> Dragon's Maze
Change it. Kraken Chowder 101 (talk) 00:21, 12 November 2012 (EST)


 * Also add "A stylized mitre", coz that's what it is. Kraken Chowder 101 (talk) 00:49, 12 November 2012 (EST)


 * Done. Thanks. -- M agic  M  age  ( talk! ) 01:15, 12 November 2012 (EST)