I strongly object to this category. It took me a year to undo the mess that was caused by these combined categories. You have the infobox, anyway. --Hunter (talk) 21:37, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- So you would put everything into the Categories Innistrad and Characters, right? May I ask why it is a bad idea to have this category? I find Category:Characters rather unhelpful with the 1000+ entries. I mean every character is either bound to a plane, or can somehow planeswalk (Planeswalker, the Eldrazi, things like Marit Lage and the Weatherlight Crew). Also long as you have the persons which are part of one plane in these categorizes you have a clear picture what belongs to what. I have no idea what the mess was you talked before, but I currently don't see much order either. - Yandere Sliver
21:47, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Why not both? --Corveroth (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Well, usually you don't want to have a category and a subcategory on the same page. However I would not be opposed to this if that would make everyone happy. Putting everything in the Character category is rather easy since, you can just add the category to the infobox and get every page where the box is called in the category. - Yandere Sliver 22:20, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- I think Innistrad characters is the intersection of Characters and Innistrad, which would make it a subset of both. I don't think the categorization system allows that kind of parallel treatment. However, it could also be viewed as IC implies both I and C, and as long as the template is the only source of the IC tag, there's little manual labor in maintaining that categorization. --Corveroth (talk) 23:13, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Well, usually you don't want to have a category and a subcategory on the same page. However I would not be opposed to this if that would make everyone happy. Putting everything in the Character category is rather easy since, you can just add the category to the infobox and get every page where the box is called in the category. - Yandere Sliver
- Why not both? --Corveroth (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah, I agree. I have noticed the category Innistrad locations and thought why don't we organize affiliations, characters etc. in the same way. Since what happens on a plane stays on a plane, except for planeswalker of cause. - Yandere Sliver 08:24, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- OK, I see your pont. The thing is, characters used to be orgaized by storyline and block. Chainer for instance had the category "Odyssey block storyline characters". But sometimes that category was subcategory of Odyssey block, and sometimes of storyline, and sometimes of characters. The category-"tree" was totally uncomprehensible because there was no logic behind it. It literally took us a whole year to unravel it, we would find subcategories again and again at unexpected places. If you want your idea to work (it is possible) you would have to design a category-tree that is easy to find for all users and stick to it. Innistrad characters should be a subcategory of both Innistrad and Characters. Biut what about Lilianna? Is she an Innistrad character? She certainly is a Dominian character, because she is born their. Is she both? --Hunter (talk) 17:46, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'd say apply as many tags as possible, and structure the category tree so that the only subcategories are not members of other categories. (e.g. Innistrad/Locations is fine, but if Innistrad/Characters exists, it's specifically Innistrad/Non-planeswalker characters). --Corveroth (talk) 18:49, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- Ah I get it ... Yes, "Odyseey block storyline character" sounds like a horrible idea. But you bring up a good point, because I was thinking about Planeswalker since the time I filled the Innistrad template. Simply following the rule that "When a Nav points to a site, it should be on that site". Each planeswalker site would clutter up fast with templates of each plane s/he visited. This is especially true for people like Jace.
- Since we already have a Planeswalker Nav it would be easy to basically get a bit more Story Involvement and add people like the 9 Titans or Planeswalker affiliations. The Category for them then simply would be "Planeswalker character", which would be a subcategory of Character and Planeswalker. Basically as soon as you loose the fix connection to a plane you are no longer categorized in that plane. The site itself usually has links to the Planes visited (Perhaps make that an extra section), and the home plane if know is part of the Navbox.
- Of course, such a system would have a few oddities. The Eldrazi, the Weatherlight Crew and Marit Lage would neither be Planeswalker nor bound to a specific plane. However the Weatherlight Crew is a pretty good category in its own, we just have to look how to best fit them with the general system. The Eldrazi are a similar case. Marit Lage would be simply a Character without a plane attached, but as long as only a few exceptions are floating around in the general Character category and not 1000+ entries I am fine with it.
- I think that would give our wiki a bit more structure while making the story sections more navigable. And I think our story section could need some improvement. - Yandere Sliver
19:12, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- I'd say apply as many tags as possible, and structure the category tree so that the only subcategories are not members of other categories. (e.g. Innistrad/Locations is fine, but if Innistrad/Characters exists, it's specifically Innistrad/Non-planeswalker characters). --Corveroth (talk) 18:49, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- OK, I see your pont. The thing is, characters used to be orgaized by storyline and block. Chainer for instance had the category "Odyssey block storyline characters". But sometimes that category was subcategory of Odyssey block, and sometimes of storyline, and sometimes of characters. The category-"tree" was totally uncomprehensible because there was no logic behind it. It literally took us a whole year to unravel it, we would find subcategories again and again at unexpected places. If you want your idea to work (it is possible) you would have to design a category-tree that is easy to find for all users and stick to it. Innistrad characters should be a subcategory of both Innistrad and Characters. Biut what about Lilianna? Is she an Innistrad character? She certainly is a Dominian character, because she is born their. Is she both? --Hunter (talk) 17:46, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah that could work. By the way, Corveroth... Since you made the Navs auto-collapse, I though they would not take up much space. So I added them to both Innistrad blocks and I think it works rather well. I would like to go backwards block by block and create such Nav for all planes of existence. Connecting all relevant articles for each plane giving a much better understanding of the Story in each block. - Yandere Sliver 18:20, 11 March 2016 (UTC)