MTG Wiki:Storylines/Archives 2006-2007
New Rule[edit source]
Cite sources at the end of pages! I know I'm the biggest offender here, but from now on, just make sure the sources are correct. Use this format:
(Source: Name of Source)
Link the source to its page if its a book, or game, but the comics are obscure enough now to just give titles.
Most Helpful Contributers[edit source]
High Priorities[edit source]
- Virtually every page having to do with the Weatherlight Saga is woefully inadequate! As the single most important arc in the history of the game, this has to be something we provide exhaustive information for. The Weatherlight Crew and other characters are particularly lacking. Please, prioritize these pages!
- Ravnica Guilds: Some Guild pages, such as the Boros, are quite detailed, while others are more lacking (though I realize this has as much to do with what resources are availible as anything else). As this is the current block and storyline arc, Ravnica should be getting special attention at the moment. --Randel is working on this--
Big Projects[edit source]
I'm looking for volunteers on some major, one-time projects. Please express any interest you have in them here.
- Detailed Book Summaries: I'd like someone to go through each book, and take down all useful information, to make it availible here. Afterwards, we can use those summaries to make detailed pages on everything and everyone IN those books.
- Pictures: For characters and artifacts particularly, it would be very good to have a picture of them on their respective pages.
- Character Templates: All major characters should have one of the character templates Sneakyhomunculus rigged up. Ideally, all characters should have a template, but for now, focus on Weatherlight Saga characters and Ravnica characters.
Upkeep Projects[edit source]
This is largely going back and fixing things to bring them up to new standards that have come into being since the article was first created.
- Card Tagging articles: for the many articles about prerevisionist stuff that I and others have put up, the subject of the article is represented by a card. The current standard is, instead of bolding the name in that case, like Grandmother Sengir, we use a card tag instead, i.e. Grandmother Sengir. Somebody needs to go through these, and change all the ones that are missing the tag. Note that only the subject of the article should be card tagged, all other cards mentioned in the articles should be links to their own respective articles.
- Category Updating: Many articles put into the Species and Races category should be in the new Affiliations category. This goes for any nation or group that is not also its own species, such as Benalish, etc. If they are their own species, or distinctive enough to be considered a race (such as Keldons), they can have a redirect for the affiliation as well. The rule of thumb should follow this example:
-Phyrexia - main article, about the location (and, in this case, plane). -Phyrexian - a redirect to Phyrexia, tagged as an Affiliation. -Phyrexians - a redirect to Phyrexia, tagged as Species and Races.
In questionable situations, such as Keldons, where they are a distinct race yet still technically human, the above rule should be followed, but the same information on the people of Keld should be availible in the larger Humans article as well as the Keld article. Also, any articles about the Ice Age period of storyline, from the Dark to the Flood Ages, should have a new Category:Ice Age Saga category.
Any Questions?[edit source]
PRIORITY - WEATHERLIGHT SAGA CHARACTERS AND ARTICLES IN GENERAL. With Time Spiral a few months out, set on Dominaria in the aftermath of the invasion, interest in these topics is likely to reach a long-time high. PLEASE WORK ON THESE, EVERYONE! THIS IS PRIORITY ONE!VestDan 00:28, 20 June 2006 (CDT)
Are we going to do an "unafiliated storyline" category or not? I don't think we ever made a definitive disicion. Also: could we change to "Wars and Battles" category to simply "Events", so important events that are not wars (Refraction of Rabiah, The Ice Age) have a place? The Squirle master 07:37, 21 June 2006 (CDT)
Also, I've tried to use the Noimage.gif file for the Character Template of Glacian and Dyfed, but it goes all pixely and ugly. Shoul I leave it like that or do we need a better sized "No Picture Available" picture? The Squirle master 04:24, 22 June 2006 (CDT)
BUMP The Squirle master 11:04, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
Is there something like unafiliated storyline? As for changing Wars and Battles to Events I agree completely. MORT 16:57, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
The "unafiliated" category was brought up as an idea for a category to put stuff in that is neither pre-rev, nor fits in any of the post-rev categories we have (Weatherlight, Mirari, Kamigawa, Ravnica, Ice Age). Thus that would make the two Legends cycles and any post-rev Anthologies that don't deal with the Weatherlight, Mirari or Ice Age buisness. The Squirle master 17:02, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
BUMP! Hey, Vest, I think we need your permission to change Wars and Battles category to Events. This is very good idea and I think you agree with this, but you know... formalities. ;) MORT 18:10, 27 August 2006 (CDT)
Hmm... I don't quite like that. I prefer to make Wars and Battles a subcategory of Events, in case, ya know, someone wants to look into Wars and Battles and not see stuff like the Worldspell and the Thousandfold Refraction of Rabiah. That work for you all?
Also... Guys, please, work on the Weatherlight articles. Here's the skinny: i'm gonna do my final Weatherlight article for the Savlation main page, and instead of linking to autocards, I'm going to link HERE. So I'd really like the pages to have content, so people who follow those links have something worthwhile to look at. Further, if they like what they see, that article will make the Wiki far higher profile. SO... work on that, guys, please?VestDan 18:22, 27 August 2006 (CDT)
Oh, I see, OK. On the other hand there are not that much of events to splice them IMO, but as you wish ;) MORT 05:45, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm also wondering what with future articles of Time Spiral characters, etc. Are we going to create post-apocalyse category. And if so, will articles of Mirari Saga [Otarian ones] be in this category? Or maybe it would be better to remove Mirari category and make Mirrodin category and post-apocalypse one instead? I think this case would be the best [too much categories aren't good]. MORT 06:10, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
I'm thinking we should wait and see what Time Spiral does before figuring out categories. If Mirrodin is brought into the Time Spiral storyline at all (we may have to wait until Planar Chaos to see this, as we know Karn is involved there), then we could fold Mirari Saga wholesale into a new category; but most likely, we'll have to do "Mirrodin" storyline and "Post-Apocalyptic Dominaria."VestDan 10:19, 28 August 2006 (CDT)
New Rule[edit source]
That reminds me... What do you think about renaming all articles about books to such pattern: 'Title (book)'? When we're writting article, we can't be sure if there're already articles with "(book)" in their name or not. That would make linking to books easier - we wouldn't have to think and check if the Article is called Guildpact or Guildpact (novel). We would know where to link Invasion (event) and where Invasion (novel). --MORT 19:29, 5 November 2006 (CST)
I concur. We should perhaps have a list of paranthetical descriptors, like
Any others? VestDan 19:52, 5 November 2006 (CST)
I'm not sure if we really need game and location. I think there is no such problem with them (so far), like with articlas of Storyline Sources (I already changed all books), sets and sometimes events because mainly these share the same name(for example: Invasion = book = set = event = even cycle). MORT 16:50, 8 November 2006 (CST)
Well, I mention Game because of the two computer games: Battlemage and the Micropose one that was simply called "Magic: the Gathering." Both should certainly have articles of their own, not to mention the ultra-obscure Armageddon arcade game.
oh, these games, ok. I have a problem. Some articles, for example Asmira, Holy Avenger contains info that they didn't appear in any published sources. Well, IMO it's not very informative. Shouldn't there be an info about actual short story she appeared in (Scalbane's Elite)? I'm also wondering if these short stories should have their own sites, and summaries as well as books... After all short stories from Anthologies already have or will have such... MORT 17:23, 11 November 2006 (CST)
Eid made the Homelands category in the Feroz's Ban article and it got me thinking. It's the separate storyline which undoubtly is something notable what should have its own category (especially when it is the only storyline about Ulgrotha). What do you think? MORT 14:07, 23 January 2007 (CST)
Well, that opens up a slippery slope--just how many categories do you want to have, here, just for storylines? I realize homelands has its own storyline independant of any other SET, but prerevisionist storylines were all tied together in some way or other, in this case, through Taysir and later, Battlemage and the comics it was based on. So, in a way, the prerevisionist storylines of the comics, games, and sets, are all within the same setting, and almost as interconnected as the Weatherlight Saga.
Also, I don't want to add categories to all those articles :X. VestDan 20:17, 23 January 2007 (CST)
Yes, too much categories are maybe not good, but I'm sure that separate planes, especially with weakly connected storyline to others (and Homelands really is weakly connected to other comics) should have their own Categories. Prerevisionist is just too vast category for them all. When someone want to see articles about everything connected with Shandalar, Homelands or say even Rath or Cridhe, he don't want there any others, unrelated articles. And if ther're too much categories, we can make up some pattern on how to put them orered in the article. I know that now it can sound silly, as there're not that much articles on certain planes, but with time their number will rise vastly, and then such changes in Categories will be even harder to do than now. Well, that's my opinion. (and if you don't want to make these changes, I'll do them). MORT 16:36, 25 January 2007 (CST)
I could perhaps see my way through to a few divisions in prerevisionist, such as "Homelands Storyline," "Mirage War," "Harper Prism Novels", but getting as specific as Cridhe is way too much in my opinion. VestDan 19:21, 25 January 2007 (CST)
And I asssure you that there will be at least 50 articles about Cridhe - its characters, locations and events (when it will be finished), and when someone will want to look at everything about Cridhe he just won't find it in that mess of other articles. That's the purpose of categories after all, to make clear groups of articles that have something in common. --MORT 17:27, 27 January 2007 (CST)
Yeah, but here's what you do: do an article about The Cursed Land, that recounts the plot, lists the characters and locations, and links to all of them. Anyone wanting to know about the book would look in THE BOOK'S article, which would link to more detailed articles about anything contained therein without adding another category to worry about. VestDan 11:07, 28 January 2007 (CST)
I see what you propose, though personally I would see it other way. Anyways, Cridhe was bad example for "not having category" - it is actually the most stand alone story in Magic, so category for this one wouldn't make any more mess at all. MORT 16:26, 29 January 2007 (CST)
Detailed Timelines[edit source]
I think that it's good idea to have articles about detailed timelines of some particular events and storylines. What do you think? I think mainly about Brothers' War, but also about Mirrodin and Ravnica, because we're still not sure when they hapenned, they're separate planes and Ravnica has even its own Calendar system. There would be also ones concerning such timelines like Garth/Greensleeves Cycle, Homelands, and maybe some others. Generally each of them would be called "Detailed timeline of insert topic". I know that maybe it's not urging task, but I think it'll be good to have such articles because Timeline can cover only main events.
MORT (T) 15:03, 26 February 2007 (CST)
I just thought a little about Categories in translations. Having articles in all languages in one category is quite messy (look at Category:Planes for an instance). I'd suggest to create new categories for storylines of every language, and then subcategories for it. This way, languages will be divded to their own sections, and also names of categories can be in you own language then! What is your opinion? MORT (T) 13:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. I started with completed categories only but I'm changing it now. Jacomo 18:06, 25 June 2007 (UTC)